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Ever since my politics have swung a bit more to the left after seeing how people in my situation are treated, I seem to be getting interrupted a lot more by the roommate before I can finish the point. Oddly, this happened to me in my Everquest II guild when speaking with someone who believed Alex Jones offered real news.

And sadly, there are some good points in the Google employee's manifesto, but he tried to make it about diversity and sexism, when he had ideas that Google might have been willing to try if he hadn't made it an "us vs them issue." Sadly, now that he's put his paper out there on the Internet, he's destined to become a hero of MRAs and the alt-right when at first he merely had a more conservative position

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silk_dragon_zen

He had good points?

*silk-dragon is a bit incredulous, but interested*

— Sage

From:

sinisterporpoise

I've been spending the break living in a fantasy world that takes place in a post-apocalyptic nightmare. Of course, my enjoyment of it, after getting through Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas and halfway through Fallout 4 is ruined by our dear Trumpenfuhrer's attempts to make a world nearly destroyed by nuclear war real.

Getting back to the point, the Google employee's manifesto starts out with some sexist and disproven points, then goes on to accuse Google of bias against conservatives and wonders through one or more unrelated points before getting to the point where they might be able to address the problems with the pay gap in tech. This assumes, of course, that the only reason for the paygap is his assumption that women are less likely to bargain for raises. (I'm paraphrasing *his* words. Please don't jump on me for this.)

He suggests pairing men and women together to improve software quality and promoting the pair as a team, or at least I think he does. Such a setup might work, but it'd cause numerous other problems.

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silk_dragon_zen

Thanks for the summary. Yes, I think others have stated (with some validity) that women don't as frequently “lean in“ as men do. But I'm pretty sure Google is already pairing people of diverse backgrounds and gender together on projects.

— Sage

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sinisterporpoise

I don't think it's the only reason the pay gap exists. I think there's also a huge element of autistic people in Silicon Valley who don't deal well with change, along with some good old fashioned sexism. Unsurprisingly, Silicon Valley has much higher rates of autism than many other areas of the country.

I want to make some kind of vaccine joke, but I have no idea where I should go with it.

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silk_dragon_zen

I'm not so sure that this can be laid at the feet of us Autistics, even if only in part.

I say this because the U.S. has never had a woman president, and women are extremely underrepresented among CEOs in all industries around the world. And that's not to mention the dearth of women orchestra conductors, movie producers, and firefighters, police, and EMS personnel. etc., etc., etc.

I mean, It's not like Autistics dominate U.S. politics, international business, the classical music industry, Hollywood, nor municipal first responder departments.

— Sage

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sinisterporpoise

Yes, but autistics *do* dominate the tech industries. It's one reason why I fit in so well with computer nerds and geeks. And even if it was once what was called Asperger's Syndrome, it's quite prevalent in Silicon Valley.

$silk_dragon_zen: Julia set fractal with Ace and Arrow Pride colors, black, grey, white, green, and purple (Ben)$

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silk_dragon_zen

Way to miss Sage's point. *wolf-yetti is bummed; feels protective of silk-dragon*

Yeah there are disproportionately more Autistics in certain fields. But sexism and the phenomenon of women and enbies being all but shut out of certain fields pervades *other* fields, as well, *not just Autistic dominated fields*.

— Ben